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Заголовок: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/09/04 в 14:23:33 [продолжение игры. ссылка на страну http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=hattireich ] Проблема. Divers from a local scuba club have discovered an enormous underwater gold deposit that could be worth billions of t-roubles in one of Hattireich's lakes. It has also caused a huge debate over who should be allowed to plunder the goods. The Debate Bianca Frederickson, a cabinet member, would like the government to seize the deposit. "This is an excellent time to boost Hattireich's economy and increase our foreign trade with other countries! Who cares about the people that discovered the deposit? They've done their country a great favor and should let us have the money!" Elizabeth Chicago, a civil rights activist, vehemently disagrees. "The deposit was found by private citizens and it should be their choice of what to do with the gold. If the government goes around stealing what is rightfully ours, then I shudder to think I live in such a corrupt country. These people discovered the gold, it's now their time to get rich! Nevermind the fact they were diving in a lake on government property!" "We should do what now?" Environmentalist Lars Summers exclaims. "Do you have any idea how damaging it would be to the environment to mine the gold under that lake? Think of all the aquatic life that would be disrupted or destroyed! Think of how an otherwise pristine lake view would be ruined! Forget the gold and keep those money-grubbing pigs away from nature!" |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/09/04 в 16:24:19 Клад - государству. Вариант 1. В профсоюзах (если я правильно поняла вопрос) вицепрезидентам отказать. Это последний вариант, кажется. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/09/04 в 16:34:50 Забастовка "белых воротничков": Вариант 1. Золото в озере Вариант 1, если месторождение найдено на земле, принадлежащей государству то и государству оно должно принадлежать. Кстати, насколько я понял deposit это именно месторождение, а не клад, если клад, тогда - dismiss. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/09/04 в 17:08:25 Золото - вариант 1, хотя он не шибко хорош. Кроме выражения благодарности нашедшим, было бы неплохо их наградить каким-то процентом от найденных запасов. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Antrekot на 03/09/04 в 17:12:19 Зубастовка - отказать. Золото - в лес. Нормальная процедура в этом случае - выплата довольно большой премии нашедшему. С уважением, Антрекот |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/09/04 в 17:25:14 "Золото - в лес. Нормальная процедура в этом случае - выплата довольно большой премии нашедшему. " Согласна. Но оставлять его в озере на радость "черным археологам" - глупо. Тем более при 35%налоге. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/09/04 в 17:43:46 Будем доставать золото со дна озера и закапывать его в лесу :) |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Бенедикт на 03/09/04 в 20:02:51 Забастовка - 1, золото - в лес. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/09/04 в 20:11:43 Отправляющим золото в лес, вопрос: как вы себе представляете практические последствия вашего решения? Оставить где лежит, и пусть тащит, кто хочет? Между прочим, государству деньги не помешают, как уже указала sirmal. Не очень разумное решение. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/10/04 в 14:35:43 "Белых воротничков" - в лес. К каннибалам, нудистам, слабовооружённым полицейским и национальным котам. ;D Золото... золото, золото, золото, золото, золото...( любимая песнь гномов Плоского Мира) Вариант 3. И учредить там национальный парк. Вроде пока наша экономика не загибается. А озеро - жалко. Налоги мы можем подкрутить в нужную сторону, а озеро загубим - обратно не восстановим. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Anchan на 03/10/04 в 15:09:09 Явно не клад, а месторождение - в третьем мнении написано "to mine the gold". Согласна в Владимиром. Мне один знакомый хиппи рассказывал, что их как-то занесло на золотодобывающие карьеры где-то между Хабаровском и Читой, километров на сто пятьдесят на север от железной дороги. Страшное дело - занимаются этим нынче не зэки с тачками, а профессиональные бригады. После того, как геологи находят очередной золотой ключ, туда пускают технику, которая натурально сносит верхний слой по всей дельте, перелопачивает его, вымывает золото, а остальное сбрасывает в отвал. Может, того, не уподобляться российским хозяйственникам?.. Вон на Катуни чуть было не построили ГЭС - к счастью, денег не хватило. А там по дельте то там то тут - линзы самородной ртути (если кто помнит рассказ писателя-геолога "Озеро горных духов", то дело там происходит в аккурат в долине Катуни в паре часов езды вверх по реке от предполагаемого места будущей ГЭС...) И это уже не говоря о всех скифских захоронениях, которые бы ухнули под воду... |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/10/04 в 17:05:31 Проблема A recent anti-government rally by highly disgruntled teens has brought a previously minor issue to the fore- should people be permitted to burn Hattireich's flag, or should it be a crime? The Debate "We should be able to burn the flag as a sign of protest. I say ignore those crazy red blooded fanatics who won't let us! After all it's because we are a tolerant nation that we should allow it!" says Jack Christmas, civil rights activist, while trying to wave a burning flag without lighting anybody nearby on fire. "Burning should be allowed for everything! Down with the pig cops and their repressive regime!" says known well known anarchist and arsonist Johan King, from the comfy and non-flamable confines of a prison cell. "Burn! Burn burn burn! Everything! Kyahahaha!" "These barbarians are suggesting burning the flag of our glorious nation as if it were a piece of scrap cloth! First it's burning the flag, and before you know it, it's rebellion and anarchy!" Freddy Winters scowls, "Flag burning should be punishable by jail terms and a good flogging." |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/10/04 в 18:34:20 Сжигание флага: Dismiss, Вообще говоря это нехорошо, но наказывать за сжигание флага тюремными сроками и телесными наказаниями это черезчур. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/10/04 в 22:14:16 Dismiss. Cогласна с smrx + то, что вопрос о разрешении сжигать флаг был вообще поднят, указывает на то,что это не разрешено. :) |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/11/04 в 17:22:07 Сжигание флага - dismiss. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Antrekot на 03/11/04 в 17:47:36 Flag - dissmiss. We don't have one anyway. Regards, Antrekot |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/11/04 в 18:08:54 Проблема. Commuters are complaining about the ongoing rise in gas prices, causing a massive debate in the government about what should be done. The Debate "Who cares about a few trees, gas prices are six t-roubles per gallon, and rising! There is lots of oil to be found in areas currently protected as parks! Solving our energy needs are more important than conserving the environment," says oil executive Freddy Licorish. "Just give us permission to go in there and start drilling, and gas prices will plummet!" "There are other ways to recover from the fossil fuel crisis besides ruining forests," says environmental activist Billy Hamilton. "We shouldn't just take the short way out and drill here. I suggest spending more money on public transportation systems and encouraging people to carpool- if people weren't so reliant on fossil fuel powered cars, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place, and if we start using less oil, the price will drop with the demand." |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/11/04 в 20:00:05 Флаг - дисмисс. Цены на газ - вариант 2. Бедные наши налоги... Опять статья расходов. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/11/04 в 20:20:22 Ни фига не уменьшается использование частного транспорта при развитии общественного. Dismiss |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/11/04 в 20:24:52 А добыча золота нам помогла :) Налоги сейчас 23% The Republic of Hattireich is a very large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its compassionate, hard-working population of 160 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often. The enormous government devotes most of its attentions to Education, with areas such as Religion & Spirituality and Social Equality receiving almost no funds by comparison. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 23%. A small but healthy private sector is led by the Book Publishing industry, followed by Automobile Manufacturing and Cheese Exports. Organ donation rates have hit a new low, scenic mountain valleys are flooded with water as damming projects get underway, the government seizes all major gold finds, and Pinkerton agents are called in to forcibly break up white collar strikes. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is relatively low, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Hattireich's national animal is the cat and its currency is the t-rouble. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ингвалл на 03/11/04 в 21:54:09 Quote:
Хихик-с! Мордор-по-Могултаю :) |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/11/04 в 23:08:49 Цены на бензин: Dismiss |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Бенедикт на 03/11/04 в 23:55:04 Флагосжигателей - в лес, бензин - туда же. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/12/04 в 10:32:20 Бензин - dismiss. Ингвалл, нам этот Мордор таким и достался. Это не мы ландшафт угробили! :) |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/12/04 в 13:59:33 Проблема. The recent popularity of a science-fiction TV show has prompted calls for Hattireich to develop its own space program. The Debate "Don't tell me space colonies wouldn't be cool," says excited fifth-grade teacher Abraham Bush, still wearing big Spock ears from his last convention. "Think of how they would galvanize the national population! And there would also be some kind of scientific benefit, probably." "The project certainly is feasible, but very expensive," says Hattireich Space Agency Head Violet Nagasawa. "We could make it less of a burden on the taxpayers if we sought funding from private industry -- advertisements on the side of our rockets, selling contracts to the Arms Manufacturing industry, that kind of thing." "If God had meant Man to fly, he would have given us solid rocket boosters instead of legs," says religious type Lars Barry. "We should not be looking to the stars, but rather inside our own hearts. That's why we should abandon this so-called space program, and instead make the teaching of religion mandatory in all schools." |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/12/04 в 14:01:01 Бензин в леса, ракеты - вариант 2 |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Бенедикт на 03/12/04 в 17:35:38 Так вот с чего начинался Вавилон "Сердца Меча". А Великое княжество Курта, наверное, - зародыш Империи. :) Космос - вариант 2. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/12/04 в 19:07:34 Космическая программа: Вариант 2. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/12/04 в 19:40:35 on 03/12/04 в 17:35:38, Бенедикт wrote:
Особенно учитывая то, что у нас вовсю клонируют человеческие эмбрионы ;) Космос - вариант 2 |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/12/04 в 22:15:50 Космос - вариант 2. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Antrekot на 03/13/04 в 05:16:05 Бензин - в лес. Космос - 2. Ингвалл - пейзаж нам выдали, но мы его освоили. :) С уважением, Антрекот |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/14/04 в 23:19:41 Космос - 2. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/15/04 в 13:46:06 О стране. The Republic of Hattireich is a very large, socially progressive nation, notable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its compassionate, hard-working population of 184 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often. The enormous government devotes most of its attentions to Education, with areas such as Religion & Spirituality and Social Equality receiving almost no funds by comparison. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 27%. A substantial private sector is led by the Book Publishing industry, followed by Automobile Manufacturing and Information Technology. Scenic mountain valleys are flooded with water as damming projects get underway, the government seizes all major gold finds, Pinkerton agents are called in to forcibly break up white collar strikes, and the nation's first space rocket -- sponsored by Pepsi and shaped like an enormous soda bottle -- is being developed. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is relatively low, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Hattireich's national animal is the cat and its currency is the t-rouble. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/15/04 в 13:46:41 Проблема. Due to the ongoing wars in neighboring countries, a recent rash of illegal immigrants have been caught at the borders of Hattireich, prompting many citizens to call for tighter immigration laws. The Debate Naki Longfellow of the Hattireich National Purity League says "These illegal aliens are just an eyesore with their strange customs and funny languages. Uneducated immigrants like these only worsen crime and steal valuable jobs! I say we should boot them all out on their ears and put a big fence around the country!" Buffy Washington of the Hattireich Civil Liberties Union says "We must welcome these refugees from any nation into our open arms, they are fleeing one oppressive dictatorial regime in the only way they know, we must not let them think they're jumping from the frying pan into the fire!" "Hold on there, hold on people!" says Bill Steele of the Hattireich Broadcasting company, "We don't have to take either extreme, all we have to do is make a TV game show out of it! We put deadly obstacles on the border and monitor it with television cameras! Those that make it across win freedom and citizenship, and those who don't, well, lets just say that our buzzards won't starve. We could call it 'Who Wants to be an Immigrant?'!" |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Kurt на 03/15/04 в 18:36:57 on 03/12/04 в 17:35:38, Бенедикт wrote:
Польщен :) on 03/12/04 в 19:40:35, Ципор wrote:
И что характерно - у нас клонирование запрещено :) |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/16/04 в 14:17:01 Проблема. After several bloody conflicts in nearby regions, a stream of asylum-seekers and refugees has been spotted heading for Hattireich's shores. The Debate "Some of these people have endured terrible hardships to reach our borders," says International Red Cross spokesperson Al Jong-Il. "We must welcome these unfortunates with open arms. Let the world see that Hattireich does not turn its back on those in need!" "These grasping freeloaders will swamp our culture and traditions!" argues talk-radio host Beth Steele. "First they want welfare, next thing you know they're taking our jobs -- and you know they won't bother to learn our language. I say charity begins at home -- and this isn't their home. This is the world's problem, not ours." Economics Professor Johan Li offers an alternative. "There is no question that we have to help those who reach out to us in their darkest hour. But on the other hand, we cannot help everybody. So let's just take the ones who are willing to keep our streets clean and our drains flowing in return for a subsistence wage." Что со старой-то делать будем? в лес, за неактивностью? Предлагаю по этому поводу вернуться к 2 проблемам за день. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/16/04 в 14:36:07 Due to the ongoing wars in neighboring countries, a recent rash of illegal immigrants have been caught at the borders of Hattireich, prompting many citizens to call for tighter immigration laws. вариант 2 After several bloody conflicts in nearby regions, a stream of asylum-seekers and refugees has been spotted heading for Hattireich's shore вариант 1 |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Бенедикт на 03/16/04 в 14:39:48 Да проблемы-то почти одинаковые, разнятся только варианты ответов, и во второй они, имхо, лучше. Что, если послать первую лесом, а во второй выбрать вариант 3? Правда, меня настораживает участь _нетрудоспособных_ беженцев. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/16/04 в 14:48:07 Что, если послать первую лесом В смысле, оcтавить беженцев стоять у границы? У них там война, надо заметить. А чем тебя не устраивает вариант 2 ? |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Бенедикт на 03/16/04 в 16:43:58 А ты думаешь, мы сможем обеспечить их безопасность у себя, при местной-то ксенофобии? Ну ладно, попробуем. Варианты 2 и 1. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/16/04 в 17:59:58 Первые иммигранты - в лес. Вторые - вариант 1. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/16/04 в 19:07:18 Первая - в лес, вторая - 2. Проблема, действительно, не наша а всемирная. Я вообще полагаю в корне неправильной трактовку беженцев как тех, которым угрожает опастность в их родной стране и поэтому они могут, фактически, жить в той, которая им больше всего пришлянулась (и в которую они смогли добраться). Безусловно, нормальные страны обязаны обеспечить им безопасное неголодное существование, но не более. И вместо того, чтобы принимать беженцев, условно, в Швейцарии ИМНО вполне достаточно переправлять их из Уругвая в Украину (и наоборот), выплачивая им и стране-получателю определенное денежное содержание (в зависимости от числености семьи, среднего уровня доходов в новой стране, работы и т.п.). Это, с одной стороны, действительно обеспечит защиту тем, кто в ней нуждается (а если Уругваец боится, что его достанут и на Украине - у него будет на выбор еще 3-5-10 стран похожего типа). С другой стороны, это остановит тех, кто хочет не убежать от реальной угрозы, а на халяву прожить на пособии (т.е. шее налогоплательщиков) остаток жизни не напрягаясь, не обладая достаточной квалификацией и т.п. : его, безусловно, спасут от любой мыслимой угрозы (включая угрозу голода - на Украине/Уругвае/Малазии/... его ведь нет, и пособие им будет выплачиваться достаточное по местным меркам) - но в экономическом плане "беженцы" поменяют шило на мыло (если они не из Сомали - тогда их действительно надо спасать и по факту спасут). И, наконец, это будет намного выгоднее несчастным налогоплательщикам. Я так понимаю, речь можно было бы вести о том, что "право убежища" неприкосновенно - и страна, в которой беженец подал заявление обязана оставить его у себя - если не смогла предоставить ему другую, безопасную для конкретного беженца, страну. Кто-нибудь имеет сказать, что это понижение планки, а е закрытие халявной лавочки? |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/16/04 в 19:23:24 Первых беженцев - dismiss. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/16/04 в 20:51:43 Quote:
...которая обязуется также предоставить ему и его семье прожиточный минимум (нормальный, а не такой, что на него прожить нельзя). Я себе представляю, что будет с беженцами в Украине, когда там свои граждане местами с голоду умирают. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/16/04 в 21:50:45 on 03/16/04 в 20:51:43, Ципор wrote:
Думаю, это придется делать стране, в которой беженец убежища попросил. Все равно окажется в разы дешевле чем сейчас + полностью лишит смысла распространенное нынче "беженство к сытой жизни". |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/16/04 в 21:56:06 Обе проблемы иммигрантов: Dismiss |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/16/04 в 21:56:30 Я пожалуй подожду выставлять первую проблему, только 5 человек высказалось. ---------- Вот и шестой подошел, стало 4 к 2 в пользу леса. Выставлю, пожалуй. Если кто против - можно переиграть довольно большое время. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/17/04 в 14:16:39 Проблема. There is a growing call within Hattireich to abolish smoking in public areas. The Debate "I'm in full support of this motion," says man on the street Charles O'Bannon. "I'm sick of being stuck behind smokers, sucking in their pollution! They can light up in the privacy of their own homes, if they want." "What's so special about their homes?" says anti-smoking campaigner Roger Christmas. "The government has a responsibility to stop people from hurting themselves -- it's the same reason we should make them wear seat belts in cars. Sooner or later, they end up in one of Hattireich's hospitals, sucking on taxpayer-funded healthcare. Not that that's why we should ban smoking. We should ban it because we care." "Get your hands off my fag!" wheezes long-time smoker Klaus Christmas. "I've been smoking for fifty years and it's never done me any harm. Helps me concentrate, it does! The government should back off on trying to tell me what I can put into my own body. Telling a smoker he can't light up in a restaurant is discrimination, pure and simple. If you want to put a stop to unfairness, stop that." |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/17/04 в 19:06:32 Курение - вариант 1 |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/17/04 в 20:04:15 Курение - dismiss. В ресторанах курить запрещено, судя по словам третьего. Видимо, и в других подобных местах тоже. А выгонять курильщиков изо всех публичных мест - это уже лишнее, имхо. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/18/04 в 03:57:44 Курение: Вариант 1 |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/18/04 в 13:15:46 Курение - вариант 1. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Antrekot на 03/18/04 в 14:03:02 Курильщиков - в лес. На свежий воздух. С уважением, Антрекот |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/18/04 в 14:15:20 Проблема A survey citing a tremendous increase in unsolicited emails has added fire to the subject of what many view as a scourge of the Internet. The Debate "The spam problem is out of control," states anti-spam advocate Buffy Jones. "I get at least fifty spam e-mails a day. That isn't even counting the spam people are posting to my newsgroup and to my messageboard. This junk is a waste of time in that I have to delete it and a waste of my money in that I have to buy anti-spam programs-which hardly work anyway. People get swindled by this stuff- it should be a crime just like regular fraud." "A ban on all spam is a restriction on our freedom of speech and on freedom of the press!" screams Beth Silk president of Citizens for Internet Freedom. "What is the government to say what is and isn't commercial spam? Could they haul charity representatives off to jail for seeking donations? Could they jail politicians for using e-mail to try and gain votes? Could they arrest me if I accidentally send my erotic novel-in-progress to the wrong address? Seriously, spamming is a subjective offense and as such should not be considered a crime." "Both sides are wrong," grumbles Lars Bush the Prime Minister of Bored Yawning. "Spam is definitely a problem, yet so is the restriction on freedoms which some draconian anti-spam codes would impose. I propose a ban on overtly fraudulent spam, and a tax on more legitimate businesses that rely on spam as an advertising method, and a strict legal definition of spam that would ensure no innocent person was prosecuted or taxed." |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/18/04 в 18:43:11 Спам: Вариант 3. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/19/04 в 13:55:13 Проблема. Hattireich's upcoming hosting of a major international beauty pageant has upset some citizens concerned about the message it puts across. The Debate "These beauty pageants are a disgrace to women everywhere!" shouts feminist campaigner, Faith Mistletoe. "They objectify the female body and re-enforce negative stereotyping! They celebrate the appearance instead of the personality! What message is this sending out to our children? Do we want them to think shallowness and vanity are virtues? Ban beauty contests! We must focus the education of our progeny on ethics and equality or suffer the consequences!" "I agree that the pageants should be banned," pontificates renowned moralist, the Ever So Slightly Reverend Hope Licorish. "But purely in the name of moral decency! All those fashion stores that sponsor these contests make lots of money from this blasphemy and that is just plain wrong! These women wear revealing clothing that seek to entice and seduce young men. As such, we should go a step further, and institute a dress code! Long, plaid skirts for the girls, with necklines that never drop below the base of the neck! Only then will the women of our nation be cleansed of sin!" "What in the name of all that's decent and good are you talking about?" exclaims Alexei Dodinas, leader of the egalitarian civil rights movement 'Everyone Is Equal, Dammit'. "Obviously these pageants will always be sexist unless they're open to everyone. Admiring women only for their beauty is an insult to their intelligence and the beauty of men! It's dually sexist! Open up the pageant to both sexes!" |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/19/04 в 14:34:20 спам - вариант 3 конкурс красоты - dismiss |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/19/04 в 15:33:55 Спам- вариант 1. Конкурсы красоты - dismiss. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/19/04 в 16:51:21 Спам - вариант 3. Попробуем перевести спам в цивилизованное русло. Конкурсы красоты - в лес, на природу... |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/19/04 в 17:06:17 Спам -3, красоту - в лес:) |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/20/04 в 19:52:58 Конкурс красоты: Dismiss. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/22/04 в 13:44:55 Проблема Commentators have warned that Hattireich's social inequalities threaten to make it an international pariah. The Debate "Look, I don't like it either," said Chamber of Commerce spokesperson Colin Clinton. "Just on the way here, I had to step over three homeless people, and one of my shoes got caught on a beggar. But inequality is the price we pay for economic strength. If anything, we need fewer taxes, so those of us who are well-off can afford to be more generous. If we want to, that is." "I think we've forgotten what economic strength is all about," says social worker Konrad Nagasawa. "The economy is meant to be a means to a high standard of living, not an end in itself. It's become an excuse for the rich to prosper while the poor fall through the cracks. Not everyone is poor because they don't feel like working. We must provide more welfare." "Who says we're an international pariah?" demands military honcho Faith Falopian. "What are their names? If that's the way the international community feels, we obviously need to prepare for war." |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Antrekot на 03/22/04 в 14:21:44 Конкурс красоты и бездомных - в лес. С уважением, Антрекот |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/22/04 в 14:32:23 Антрекот, а почему бездомных в лес? По-моему, вариант 2. Правда, налоги у нас высоковаты, но что делать? |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Antrekot на 03/22/04 в 15:03:18 Потому что не пособия нужно увеличивать, а целевые программы создавать. С уважением, Антрекот |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/22/04 в 15:35:34 А, тогда вы правы. Но если такого варианта нет, то выберу 2. Потому что в ином случае результатом будет увеличение числа бездомных, а оно нам надо? |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/22/04 в 18:05:40 бездомные: Dismiss |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/22/04 в 20:12:29 Как-то поразительно быстро мы скатились от удивительного социального равенства до жуткого неравенства. И непонятно - с чего? Бездомных - к красоткам, в лес. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/22/04 в 22:40:19 Quote:
Я думаю вопросы выдаются случайно и не зависимо от текущей ситуации в стране, в расчете наверное, что все подобные проблемы вполне могут проявиться в любой стране. Хотя IMHO большинство вопросов типичны именно для западного демократического общества. Интересно, поменяется ли подборка вопросов, если сразу увести развитие страны в сторону диктатуры или восточной деспотии. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/23/04 в 09:10:51 Бездомных - dismiss. Вопросы как-то где-то зависят от ситуации в стране (ну, то есть, в инструкции к их написанию сказано, что закон про налог на автомобили не должен выпадать стране, запретившей автомобили). |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/23/04 в 17:11:28 Проблема After a recent survey discovered that nearly 40% of all citizens in Hattireich are single, there has been an increasingly loud call for the legalisation of prostitution. The Debate "I just can't get a girl no matter what I do," laments acne-afflicted nerd, Johan O'Bannon. "If the cops would just look the other way about prostitution, it'd make my life much easier. Yeah, I'd be risking all sorts of diseases, but it's my body isn't it?" "We can't allow this to happen!" protests Dr. Clint Wong, senior pathologist of Hattireich's largest hospital. "Prostitution is a dangerous business and must remain illegal! People need to be more aware of the consequences that could follow like the risk of contracting HIV, chlamydia, or even AIDS. I say we get some funding for a large awareness programme on sexually transmitted diseases and maybe then people will act responsibly between the covers. It'll be expensive sure, but well worth it." "Not so fast now!" interjects daring entrepreneur, Randy Wu. "Why don't we just have the prostitution industry run by the government? By letting the government regulate prostitution, Hattireich can force any patrons to undergo tests for diseases, make prostitutes have regular medical check-ups and pay a portion of their profits to the government. Of course we'd still have to put more policemen on the streets to keep illegal brothels from popping up and make sure the hospitals are equipped to handle the extra workload, but you can always raise taxes to account for that." [ |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/23/04 в 18:35:17 Проституция: Вариант 3, правда не понимаю, зачем там повышать налоги для всех? |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Бенедикт на 03/23/04 в 23:02:09 Красоток и бездомных - в лес, проституция - вариант 1. В Ростоке я ежедневно хожу на работу и обратно мимо частного борделя и лавки легких наркотиков, и вроде бы никто не жалуется. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/24/04 в 13:26:49 Проблема In a display of unity that can best be described as "highly unnerving," criminals and law enforcement officials alike are up in arms about recent overcrowding within prisons in Hattireich. The Debate "I tell ya, chief... this ain't good," mutters local police chief Falala Longbottom over his morning cup of coffee. "I see these no-good mohawk-wearin' punks every day, and they're a dangerous bunch. They gotta be locked in their mudholes forever! If we can't afford to keep 'em in prison, I say we need more money! Let's just casually shift some funding from elsewhere; after all, it ain't like our welfare program is helping keep these kids away from crime." "How can these wayward individuals find their inner selves by staring at the walls within a stone cell?" challenges human rights activist and local prison license plate maker Chastity Winters "The nation's budget is absolute proof: we cannot afford prisons... strictly because of their immorality! Let these caged birds breathe the sweet air of freedom again! Shut down all prisons in Hattireich!" "Now hold on just a second here," says Naki Longbottom, CEO of Hattireich's most widely-known pizza delivery chain, Papa Pallocci's Pizza Pagoda. "You've got a problem with prisoners, and I've got a problem finding employees. Why don't you just send some of your criminals to Papa Pallocci's? We'll put 'em to work at lower pay as punishment for their crimes! I win, you win... the economy wins!" |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Antrekot на 03/24/04 в 14:40:00 Проституция - 1. Панков - в лес. С уважением, Антрекот |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/24/04 в 15:06:43 Проституция - dismiss Панки - dismiss |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/24/04 в 20:28:55 Проституция - 2 Панки - в лес. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/24/04 в 20:52:08 панки - dismiss |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/25/04 в 00:49:50 Панки: Dismiss |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/25/04 в 18:51:48 Проблема As crime rates rise, some in the community are calling for increased policing. The Debate "Just the other day, I got mugged in the broad daylight!" says ruffian Billy Christmas. "And the ironic thing is I had just stuck up this other guy. When muggers are getting mugged, even I have to admit that crime has gotten out of control. We do need more police." "The solution to crime is not more police!" says noted sociologist and occasional crime novelist Stephanie Shiomi. "Studies repeatedly show that crime is caused by poverty and poor education. Increase government spending in these areas, and crime will fall! Maybe not overnight, but it will happen." "Yeah, good luck with that," says conservative leader and gun enthusiast Steffan Bush. "Look, we do need more police, that's clear. But that's not enough. We need real punishments: sentences that will act as a genuine deterrent to people considering a life of crime. Like public floggings." |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/25/04 в 18:52:31 О стране The Republic of Hattireich is a huge, socially progressive nation, notable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its compassionate, hard-working population of 245 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often. The enormous government devotes most of its attentions to Education, with areas such as Religion & Spirituality and Social Equality receiving almost no funds by comparison. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 28%. A substantial private sector is led by the Book Publishing industry, followed by Automobile Manufacturing and Information Technology. The nation has opened its arms to an influx of refugees, smoking is banned in public areas, the government is making attempts at curtailing the flood of spam emails with little progress, and sales of fishnet stockings have reached a record high. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is relatively low, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Hattireich's national animal is the cat and its currency is the t-rouble. Hattireich is ranked 1070th in the region and 23,944th in the world for Most Compassionate Citizens. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/26/04 в 06:39:37 Quote:
Как то не очень проблема соотвествует информации о положении в стране Quote:
В общем думаю, на образование и воспитание у нас было потрачено достаточно, думаю в этот раз стоит увеличить полицию. Рост преступности: Вариант 1. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/26/04 в 10:32:47 Действительно, уровень преступности низкий, полиция имеет хорошие фонды, на всякие социальные программы и так тратится уйма денег. Потому - dismiss. Кстати, таки от небывалого социального равенства и прочих небывалых благ мы скатились к "some civil rights, but not too many" |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/26/04 в 12:18:01 Полицию - в лес. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/27/04 в 13:08:10 Таки проблема Bigtopian activists have staged a sit-in at the largest primary school in Hattireich bringing education to a halt in a bid for integration and tolerance. The Debate "You know... it's not that we don't let them in... it's that they don't apply," murmurs Principal Jean-Paul Clinton, nervously tugging at his shirt collar. "I mean, yeah, sure, if these Bigtopians lived around here... uh... we'd let them into the school. But... you know... this isn't exactly a Bigtopian community, you know? So... uh... could you please put a stop to these protestors? Oh, and, uh..." Here he leans forward and whispers. "...make sure those creepy Bigtopian protestors don't show up at my school again, okay?" "The time has come for the dream of equality to be realized!" shouts noted Bigtopian rights activist Dave Li, slamming his fist against your desk. "I see Lilliputians, Tasmanians, and Lord knows how many East Lebatuckese keeping my Bigtopian brothers holed away in their prisons of blindness and ethnic apartheid! The time has come for full integration! If these schools are going to keep us out, I say it's time we were bussed in!" "Well, that's all well and good, but it ain't well and good enough!" screams Chastity Li, leader of Bigtopians Rising Against Totalitarianist Scum, slamming his black-gloved fist against his podium during a recent BRATS pep rally. "We ain't just bein' kept out of their schools; we're bein' kept out of their neighborhoods! The oppressive majority fears us, but they can't hold us back any longer! The government needs to integrate the community as a whole by pushing out the majority and making way for a very loud, very angry minority!" |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/29/04 в 12:39:24 Что-то я не поняла, о чем речь в последней проблеме. Объясните кто-нибудь, пожалуйста, кто такие эти Bigtopians, и в чем причина их неудовольствия. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/29/04 в 23:54:00 Бигтопианцы - это национальное меньшинство. Они устроили сидячую забастовку и парализовали образовательный процесс в самой большой primary school (начальной школе?) Хаттирейха. Требуют интергации и терпимости. Речи переведу как понимаю, могу нагнать. Первый оратор мямлит "Знаете... это не мы их не пускаем... это они не подходят... Если бы бигтопианцы жили здесь поблизости... мы бы их пустили... но здесь в основном не бигтопианское население..." Он просит остановить акцию протеста и больше не пускать бигтопианских протестующих в эту школу. Второй оратор, активист борьбы за бигтопианские права, требует равноправия и полной интеграции, упирая на то, что другие народности удерживают бигтопианцев во тьме невежества. Этнический, говорит, апартеид. "Если нас не пускают в эти школы, настало время вломиться туда силой!" Третий оратор, лидер движения "Бигтопианцы против тоталитарных уродов", говорит, что дело не только в школах - что имеет место быть изоляция бигтопианцев по месту проживания. То есть, другие народности не хотят жить с ними по соседству. "Большинство боится нас, но оно больше не сможет нас удержать!" Оратор считает, что правительство должно отодвинуть большинство в сторонку и дать дорогу весьма гневному меньшинству. ------------------------------------ Кстати, сразу и проголосую. Если ещё не поздно. Бигтопианцы - вариант 2. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/29/04 в 23:59:50 Бигтопианцы - вариант 2 ,наверное |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/30/04 в 00:17:29 R2R - большое спасибо за перевод. Не хватает технического английского на такие тонкости... Бигтопианцы - dismiss. Ни один из вариантов не кажется правильным, кроме того, ситуация с этой непонятно откуда взявшейся народностью мне вообще не ясна. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/31/04 в 15:19:09 Прошу прощения за задержку, потсараюсь впредь не допускать. Информация о стране UN Category: Inoffensive Centrist Democracy Civil Rights: Very Good Economy: Strong Political Freedoms: Below Average Location: The North Pacific The Republic of Hattireich is a huge, socially progressive nation, remarkable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its compassionate, hard-working population of 283 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often. The enormous government devotes most of its attentions to Education, with areas such as Religion & Spirituality and Social Equality receiving almost no funds by comparison. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 28%. A substantial private sector is led by the Book Publishing industry, followed by Automobile Manufacturing and Information Technology. The nation has opened its arms to an influx of refugees, smoking is banned in public areas, the government is making attempts at curtailing the flood of spam emails with little progress, and sales of fishnet stockings have reached a record high. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is relatively low, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Hattireich's national animal is the cat and its currency is the t-rouble. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/31/04 в 15:19:45 Проблема. The space research organization in Hattireich has requested more government funding for space-related research and development, and the possiblity of creating orbital weapons platforms has become a topic of intense debate. The Debate General Bianca Longbottom says, "We should spend more. But not just on exploration. We should start developing Orbital Weapons! Space Marines! Armed Spacecraft! We would rule the_north_pacific, and look really cool doing it! Just divert some funding from environmental protection, and BAM! Sci-fi goodies!" Noted Scientist and pacifist writer Buy Jong-Il thinks otherwise, "No! Space is a place for peace! It's the only place left we've got that we haven't screwed up. Oh, the space program still needs funding, don't get me wrong. But none of this 'military in space' stuff! We ought to divert funding from the military to education and space research instead!" Fringe Group Leader Freddy Wu disagrees, "Space is a total waste of time. We should spend more on stuff people actually CARE about. Like voting rights and protecting the environment! Forget that fancy-schmancy space station!" |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/31/04 в 15:20:19 Проблема Tragedy struck Hattireich today, as a gunman killed three people in a suburban shooting rampage. The community is united in grief, but divided in opinion as to what should be done. The Debate The strongest voices demand tighter gun controls. "The only way to prevent further atrocities is to take the guns out of the hands of the murderers," says anti-gun campaigner Prudence Mistletoe. "There's no justification for them in today's society. We need tighter regulations on who can hold guns, so only our police and military have them." "That's not all we need," says radical left-wing activist Melbourne Christmas. "The government should ban all guns outright--even in the police force. This is an opportunity to make Hattireich a totally gun-free state." "Guns don't kill people, people kill people," says NRA head honcho Klaus Licorish. "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. Is that what we want? Think, people. The answer isn't to ban guns. It's to crack down on those Hollywood movies and computer games that glamorize violence. They're the real criminals." |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/31/04 в 15:21:01 Проблема Scientists at a private medical research laboratory have announced that they have produced a drug which will combat Hattireich's most notorious malady - Spon Plague. The Debate "This pill is the only known and unknown cure for the Spon Plague!" proclaims Professor Miranda Wong, the inventor of the cure. "But if we are to go ahead with the production of this drug, we must get some government support. We're set to make a fortune from this drug - the money we earn will help us develop even more cures for other as-yet untreatable diseases. Some people won't be able to afford it of course, but hard cheese on them: they should have got a paying job while they were still capable." "That's a disgraceful way to think!" says equal rights activist, Bianca Frederickson. "So the people who need the most help shouldn't get any? I propose that the government subsidises the production of all drugs so everyone can benefit from them, rich or not! That way the money-hungry corporations won't profit from the suffering of the masses. Of course there will be the matter of a small tax rise to fund it - but what's that when lives will be saved?" "I can't believe what I'm hearing," deplores well-respected religious leader, Gregory Thiesen. "If God didn't want people to have this disease he wouldn't have created it in the first place. This is completely against the will of God and if the government allows this drug to go on sale we will all be doomed to an afterlife in a dark and fiery place! Now let's end this madness and abolish the production of pharmaceuticals and drugs altogether!" |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Antrekot на 03/31/04 в 15:41:22 Space 2 Guns - dismiss drugs - 2 or dussmiss Regards, Yours truly harassed Antrekot |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 03/31/04 в 16:56:58 Космос - 2 Оружие - в лес Лекарства - в лес, пожалуй. Я по-прежнему сторонник дополнительного специализированного налога на продажу "лечебного, но дорогого", чтобы тот кто купить может платил на 20% (например) больше, оплачивая часть лечения неимущего. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/31/04 в 19:05:27 Космос - 2. Оружие - dismiss, лекарства - dismiss. Не нравится мне идея сознательного завышения цен, но и увеличение налогов тоже не нравится. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 03/31/04 в 20:09:54 Космос - вариант 2 Оружие - в лес Лекарства - вариант 2 |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 03/31/04 в 21:56:54 Космос: Вариант 2 Оружие: Dismiss Лекарства: Dismiss |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/31/04 в 22:03:36 Оружие- в лес Лекарства- вариант 2 Космос- dismiss Люди, у нас налоги 28%. Если на что увеличивать расходы, то лучше на лекарства, а космические программы подождут. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 03/31/04 в 22:07:30 Вопрос. участникам, выбравшим варианты космос-2/лекарства - dismiss , просьба объяснить, почему у них научные исследования оказались приоритетнее, чем человеческие жизни. Вопрос относится к Антрекоту и sirmal. Владимиру. А если стоимость лекарства будет такова, что только очень богатые смогут позволить себе его купить, а налог не покроет стоимости лечения бедных (их просто будет много больше)? |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 03/31/04 в 22:37:36 Потому что развивать космические программы надо. А посылание лекарст в лес означает всего лишь то, что их будут продавать по себестоимости + необходимая надбавка, без безумных накруток, но и без гос. дотаций. Если лекарство изобрели, то на полку его не положат - найдут и частных инвесторов. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 04/01/04 в 16:07:35 Проблема A recent poll on putting up huge loudspeakers in Hattireich's cities for public government broadcasts has been brought to your attention. The Debate "This idea is brilliant, and Hattireich can't afford to pass it up," claims Violet Rifkin, your Minister of Safety. "These loudspeakers can assure the public that the government is always here to help them. The potential here, to immediately warn citizens of an emergency such as an earthquake or a stampede of cats or something, simply must be taken into account! This could save lives! And I suppose, when there isn't anything the citizens need to be told, you could always use them to broadcast patriotic messages like 'A ekonomika v nej korporativnaya budet!' and inform the good people which party to join and vote for with newsbriefs and such. It'll be worth it to strengthen the populace's devotion to our glorious nation!" "I think people need to realise what this really is: brainwashing!" retorts Fleur Li, a wealthy marketer. "I don't want to hear all this flag-waving hogwash everytime I go out for a walk. But when it comes to emergencies, I do agree that something should be done to warn everyone: we should send out messages on mandatory minature radios that you can carry in your pocket. It could tell you things you need to know too, like what shoes to buy and such." "To be honest, I can't see why we should put up with advertising at all," says Colin Love, an anti-business protester. "All it is is some multi-billionaire or politician somewhere trying to make even more money while the rest of us struggle to make ends meet. I say we ban it. Maybe the economy will suffer a little and some people may lose jobs but that's just a minor side-effect really, especially when you consider that no longer will our children be encouraged to fill themselves with junk-food because some guy on the telly tells them it's cool!" |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 04/01/04 в 17:27:03 on 03/31/04 в 22:07:30, Ципор wrote:
Потому что я согласен с необходимостью фундаментальных исследований, в том числе - космической программы, и не согласен с конкретным предложением по лекарствам. Quote:
Я исхожу из того, что даже при таком варианте бедные получат хоть что-то. А если возложить все расходы на налогплательщиков, без счета, то система здравоохранения съест все, до чего дотянется и загется целиком и полностью (см. СССР). |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 04/01/04 в 17:44:54 Громкоговорители - в лес. А ещё там у всех стран население сбросилось до 5 миллионов. На сайте вот что пишут: ---------------------------------------------- Thu, 01 Apr 2004 National populations reset Good news! A long-running bug that allowed some nations to grow much faster than they deserved has now been fixed. This means nations can no longer benefit from abusing the so-called "population bug." Because it's impossible to tell who exploited the population bug and who didn't, all nation's populations have been reset to 5 million. This way we can ensure a level playing field. ---------------------------------------------- Может, всё-таки шутка первоапрельская? |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Vladimir на 04/01/04 в 18:24:35 Шютка, полагаю. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 04/01/04 в 19:13:09 Quote:
В основном руководстовался опытом своей тестовой страны, развитие космических программ дает толчек всей экономике. Насчет лекарств. Вариант 1 приводит к тому что лекарства становятся доступны только для богатых, Вариант 2 - к резкому повышению налогов, про 3-й вариант говорить думаю не стоит. Громкоговорители: Dismiss, думаю без них можно обойтись. |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Antrekot на 04/01/04 в 19:48:59 Громкоговорители - в лес, каннибаллов пугать. Ципор, по лекарствам - там нет приемлемых вариантов, а само лекарство есть и от невмешательства оно не пропадет. С уважением, Антрекот |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 04/01/04 в 20:30:45 Громкоговорители - нафиг. Еще чего не хватало... |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 04/06/04 в 09:11:46 Новые вопросы. Secularists have been urging for the government to impose an income tax on religious organizations in Hattireich for some time now, and the issue has finally made it's way to the upper levels of the government. The Debate Self-appointed civil rights spokesman Billy Li declares, "Churches are business organizations with a large income. It's unfair that they don't have to pay the same taxes that everyone else does. If they really do spend on any money on charity, let them write it off as a deduction just like corporations do. There's no reason that so-called clergy should be chauffeured around in limos tax-free, when we desperately need funds for public works." [Accept] "Freedom of conscience is foremost among liberties", says Reverend Elizabeth Thiesen. "Churches have been exempted from taxation because it is wrong for the government to infringe on the right of people to worship as they please, and that includes charging them for the right to worship. Besides, churches are non-profit organizations that put all their funds back into the community." [Accept] The Honorable Tobias du Pont, Minister of Minding Other People's Business, has an idea: "This religion thing is such a great racket, why don't we make it a government monopoly? We'll ban all religions except the Church of Hattireich, and make attendance and donations compulsory. I'll start writing the Holy Scriptures right away!" [Accept] ========= The oldest power station in Hattireich suffered a catastrophic failure last night, plunging a third of Hattireich's national power supply grid into darkness. There is no debate that it needs to be replaced, but the question is with what? The Debate "The solution is clear," says environmental activist Clint Wu. "Wind turbines and solar power stations are the cleanest there are. We must switch power production to forms of renewable energy, that will never run out. The only minor problems are that wind farms will take up a great deal of space and of course we can't exactly rely on the weather. It isn't as though we control it. But think of how much healthier people will be without all that pollution!" [Accept] "Wind power? Solar collectors? Bah! Have you ever wondered when the least amount of strain is placed on the national grid? WHEN THE SUN IS SHINING!" exclaims Southern Hattireich Electra official Stephanie Fellow. "We need power under our control, and cheaply. Coal has been the cheapest and most abundant power source for ages. We don't need this airy fairy wind malarky when we have cheap and reliable power available for all. True, pollution will be a bit on the heavy side but I'm sure that's only a minor problem, with how well funded our health system is!" [Accept] "Now the way I see it is that it's either green, expensive, and sprawling; or compact, polluting and cheap. Wouldn't it be nice if we had the best of both worlds, well, we can!" claims fission technician Melbourne Longfellow. "Nuclear power is reliable, clean and although it isn't cheap, it won't break the bank. There is a risk of deadly meltdown, but this is relativly small, and the only people who could be against this are anti-nuclear protesters, but what do we care about those tree-hugging hippies?" [Accept] ============= Информация по стране: The Republic of Hattireich is a huge, socially progressive nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its compassionate, hard-working population of 314 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often. The enormous government is effectively ruled by the Department of Education, with areas such as Religion & Spirituality and Defence receiving almost no funds by comparison. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 28%. A small but healthy private sector is led by the Book Publishing industry, followed by Automobile Manufacturing and Information Technology. Smoking is banned in public areas, the government is making attempts at curtailing the flood of spam emails with little progress, sales of fishnet stockings have reached a record high, and space research funding has hit a recent high while several military bases are being closed down. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is relatively low, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Hattireich's national animal is the cat and its currency is the t-rouble. Hattireich is ranked 1070th in the region and 23,978th in the world for Most Compassionate Citizens. Civil Rights: Very Good Economy: Strong Political Freedoms: Below Average |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 04/06/04 в 18:22:39 Налог на церкви - вариант 1 получение электроэнергии - вариант 3, наверное |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем sirmal на 04/06/04 в 21:29:12 Налог на церкви - 1 Электроэнергия - 3 |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем smrx на 04/07/04 в 05:51:33 Налог на церкви: Вариант 1 Элекроэнергия: Вариант 3 |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем R2R на 04/07/04 в 11:40:09 Налог на церкви: Вариант 1 Элекроэнергия: Вариант 3 |
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Заголовок: Re: "Создай Вавилон" - 5 Прислано пользователем Ципор на 04/09/04 в 22:40:34 Результат зафиксирован. Открываю новый тред - этот уже слишком длинный. |
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